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原文網址 Birk Binnard
2015-05-27 05:37:41

What is wrong with this part?

It is a small vase 110mm high with a flat bottom - see photo at bottom.

Here is the STL file (Ribbed.stl 134.31 MB): http://1drv.ms/1esOzMT

The original STL file (created with Rhino & Grasshopper) crashed Netfabb, both the free version and the online Model Repair Service version. So I ran it through MeshMixer's Analyze/Repair functions and that produced the file above. It loads with no errors into both Repeteir Host and Netfabb local, so I think the STL file is OK. But here are the results I get with different slicers:

Craftware 1.10: Slices OK but the bottom surface layers are not created until layer #3. And they are only 2 layers thick. And there is no infill like there should be.

Kisslicer 1.5 Beta 2.20: Slices OK but no bottom at all is generated

Repetier Host/Slic3R: Slices OK but no bottom at all is created

Repetire Host/Cura: Hangs after about 10% of slicing is completed

Visually I can't see anything wrong with the part. But there must be something not right.

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Andrew Lee
2015-05-27 19:23:09

Hi Birk, I took a quick look and it looks like there are two problems:

1. The upper flat face at the bottom of the face (not the one touching the print bed) goes through the sidewalls of the vase. Instead it should be trimmed by the inner perimeter of the vase wall

2. The very bottom face (and maybe also the same upper face as mentioned before) seem to have duplicate surfaces on the same plane. This will also confuse the slicers or 3D model programs.

Andrew Lee
2015-05-27 19:26:00

1. The tiny edge peeking out of the outer side wall indicates that there is a surface with a perimeter running along it

Andrew Lee
2015-05-27 19:26:25

2. The odd pattern indicates that there are 2 surfaces on the same plane

Birk Binnard
2015-05-27 20:46:30

Hi Andrew - thanks for your help on this. I will make a new posting about what I did with this part to get it to print (sort of), but it's clear the key word in your comments above is "confuse".

Your observation that both of the surfaces of the bottom meet the outside surface of the part is correct. I could have trimmed the bottom's upper surface with the inside part surface, but I used the outside surface simply because that's the one I used to trim the bottom's bottom surface. I can easily use the part's inside as the trim surface; I will do this on my next print.

I did not think it mattered whether I used the inside or outside to trim the bottom's top surface because I thought slicers only cared about external surfaces, and ignored internal ones. I guess this is not the case.

I am not sure what to do about apparent duplicate surfaces. In the part design there are really only 1 of each. Each one is created as a boundary surface, where the boundary is the plane curve formed by the intersection of the outside surface with the top and bottom of a right circular cylinder that is somewhat larger in diameter than the actual part.

For my next print I will use a different method to create these surfaces. I'm not exactly sure what that method will be, but hopefully it will also resolve the problem you describe in #1 above. That one is surprising because I did a "join surface" to eliminate the naked edge at the intersection of the outside and bottom surfaces.

Thanks again for your help with this. It's clear I still have some things to learn about designing parts for 3D printing.


原文網址 Birk Binnard
2015-05-20 04:28:29

Blue Tape Success!

It sure seems like printing on 3M Blue Painter's tape with a thin coating of glue-stick is the way to go. This box took 6 hrs. 43 minutes to print and came out perfectly. It was hard to get the box off the tape after it finished - see how the tap was pulled up and stuck to the box bottom. But there was no warping of any problems with any of the corners.

All of the corners are really sharp and all the sides of the box, both external and internal, are very smooth. There were no strings or missed loops, and no visible seams on any of the box's surfaces. I am very impressed with both the Atom2 and the latest Craftware slicer.

The box top is more complex; I hope it fits properly. It is printing now.

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原文網址 Birk Binnard
2015-05-18 02:08:57

Are there any suggestions on how to prevent this?The part is being printed with PLA and it stayed stuck to the print bed for more than an hour. Before printing I cleaned the bed with alcohol and applied a thin, even layer of glue stick.

I added 1 layer high (0.2mm) mouse ears at the 4 corners to help keep the part stuck to the print bed. The part has been printing for about 2 hours now. But when I last checked it had become un-stuck on 3 of the 4 corners. In this pic you can see that on the left-side corner the mouse ear was actually de-laminated - the outer filament trace is still stuck to the print bed, but all the others are un-stuck.

It looks like perhaps the entire piece has simply contracted - perhaps due to some sort of shrinkage resulting from cooling. There must be some fairly strong forces involved to de-laminate the filament. But what causes them is a mystery to me.

Does this suggest I should use ABS instead of PLA for parts like this? Will the Atom2 print ABS OK without a heated bed?

I'm going to let the part finish printing and will post a pic of how it turns out.

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Clarence Lee
2015-05-18 02:29:50

Possible solution:
1.use a much bigger mouse ear
2. consider to turn off the M106 controllered cooling fan(set a very high fan z on kisslicer) since it's a large object. Should be fine without cooling. …… 查看更多

Ludovic Giroux
2015-05-18 05:37:18

Simple
De l'abs melanger a de l'acétone pour obtenir un jus.
En suite prendre un chiffon et en mettre sur le plateau. …… 查看更多

Birk Binnard
2015-05-18 05:53:29

Ludovic: merci beaucoup!

Ludovic Giroux
2015-05-18 06:23:31

De rien
Comment as tu acheté une atom et ou.
J'aimerais en acheter une une. …… 查看更多

Birk Binnard
2015-05-18 06:45:12

Ludovic: I am in the US and was included in the Atom2 "Early Adopter" program. That means I was able to get an Atom2 before they became available for order in the US. People in Taiwan and (I think) in Japan can get Atom2 now, but not anyone else.

I …… 查看更多

Andrew Lee
2015-05-18 10:36:10

Birk - perhaps try applying a thicker layer of gluestick, different gluestick brand or a stronger one. Also try waiting a bit for the gluestick to "dry" first

I can assure both english manuals will be much more improved in terms of translation. (The draft version you received was quite literally a draft) Extra details from suggestions will be added. Thank you …… 查看更多

André Medborg
2015-05-18 15:32:30

Birk Binnard here is a link on the print bed adhesion issues. http://reprap.org/wiki/Bed_material
The fool proof solution if everything else fails I found to be brown paper packaging tape with UHU gluestick on top. I us this solution on very large objects with corners. I never fails! Oh, and no need for heated bed.

Birk Binnard
2015-05-18 15:53:30

Thanks Andre - I've been doing some reading on the subject myself ,and the general consensus seems to be that 3M blue painter's tape on a cold bed works about as well as anything. The reason given is that there is wax (or something) in the tape that m …… 查看更多

André Medborg
2015-05-18 15:57:57

Birk Binnard try and send my your g-code for the heart box that troubles you and I will test it with my setup.

Clarence Lee
2015-05-18 16:29:40

Birk Binnard
2015-05-18 22:26:10

Clarence - yes, the Geckotek test #4 at about 45:00 is exactly what I am talking about. What did you do to solve this?

Birk Binnard
2015-05-18 22:50:23

Andre - thanks for your help with this.Here is the link to download the box GCode. It includes mouse ears twice the size of those shown on the previous photo.

http://1drv.ms/1S1tuIN …… 查看更多

Clarence Lee
2015-05-18 23:27:30

I think previous few suggestion I post ed, each of them is a possible solution. Since almost all I tested before and proved works.
Geckotek plate is a special plate design by geckotek3d.com for PLA without glue & heatbed. I just get it about a week. St …… 查看更多

Clarence Lee
2015-05-19 08:19:33

This corner might be a little not flat enough.
If it's not geckotek plate. another tips I never tried but heard it works is use super glue on the corner during printing.
I printed square box about 10x10cm before a few times. It's really hard to fight with at least one corner might warp. Sometimes I still thinking if it's round corner might be helpful?

Clarence Lee
2015-05-19 08:19:39

Andrew Lee
2015-05-19 08:41:26

Has anyone tried kisslicer's brim with the mouse ears?


原文網址 Birk Binnard
2015-05-17 02:43:24

This clever design prints its 4 pieces as a single part. Download it here:

http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:44579

The video shows how it works - and it really does work that way.

It is a single STL file with multiple pieces; the Thingiverse site lets you customize the part for different printer characteristics, but I printed it as downloaded with no changes.

To print this I used the Craftware slicer, but this slicer requires some minor GCode modifications to run on an Atom2. What's required is to comment out 2 lines of GCode near the start of the GCode file. Here are the first few lines of the Heart GCode:

; GCode generated by CraftWare
G28 ;Home
G29 Z+0.5 ;auto level
;
; Comment out M83 & GF100E30 following M109

M109 S200 ;set and wait head temperature
;M83
;GF100E30 ; startup extrude

; ------------------------------------
; Raft Layer #0

To use Craftware you have to comment out the M83 command; if you do not do this the Atom2 behaves very badly and I had to reload the printer's firmware to recover from this. Adding the ; as the first character in the line makes the whole line a comment.

I also commented out the GF100E30 command because this pushes some filament through the extruder and it takes quite a while to do this. You could leave this in if you are more patient than I am, or if you aren't sure your filament will feed OK.

My Craftware settings add lines 2 - 5 above and tell you what needs to be commented out. I'll create another post that has my Craftware settings if you want to try them.

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原文網址 Birk Binnard
2015-04-18 07:25:52

A few questions about Pronterface and printing:

1. Is it necessary to perform the Auto-Home and Auto-Level operations before starting a print? Or do slicing programs automatically include this at the front of a print file?

2. What is the GCode command for Auto-Level? I'd like to make an Auto-Level command button in Pronterface, but need the GCode command to do this.

3. In Pronterface, what does the center red button do?

4. In Pronterface, does the Motors Off button turn the motors off for good, or just stop them? In any case, once this is clicked, is there a way to turn the motors back on?

5. Is there any benefit to printing from the SD card as opposed to printing directly from Kisslicer (or some other slicer software)?

Thanks in advance for any answers.

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Clarence Lee
2015-04-18 09:58:15

1.yes or no.
Use the kisslicer profile on file area. check the pre gcode.
The marlin FW here, g29 save the leveling array.
So, the g29 is not necessary on each print.
But might need bed offset. The example profile is work like that.
But you still can use old way, add G29 Z+0.3 (for example) after g28 at prefix gcode section in kisslicer or other slicer.

2. G28 auto home
G29 auto level
ref http://reprap.org/wiki/G-code

3. Possible G0 X(200/2) Y(200/2). [if you set the dimension in pronterface setting]
It looks like not for deltabot style printer.

4. Turn off,no motor current out put.
You could notice that you can move the cart by your hand.
Any G code need to use stepper motor would bring it back output and moving.
Such as G01

5. SD card benefit. No PC connected required.
Prevent any USB connection or PC sw error/suspend interrupt the printing job.

Bato Wang
2015-04-18 12:00:33

1. Yes for auto home, home is the starting point to count the distance to the bed. No for auto level, it is now stored in eeprom, if you did not remove the bed or disassemble the nozzle parts, it is not necessary. They are stored in your prefix gcode.. . 4. Marlin firmware has a timeout to turn off motors but you can manually do it by click motors off. Turn off means power off, do not energized them. once you give any command related to move, the motor is turned back on automatically (Ex. G28 auto home)


原文網址 Birk Binnard
2015-04-12 01:20:37

What I did with the shrink-wrap material was to use several pieces to cover up the wire junction at the top of the Z column.

I tried using a hair dryer to shrink it but this did not work. So I used some of the black twist-ties that came in the kit.

陳智遠
2015-04-12 11:10:46

Give you a reference,my installation method

Birk Binnard
2015-04-12 14:09:47

Very nice. Better than my approach - but I cut off my flex tubing so I can't do that now.

Lawrence Lee
2015-04-13 10:09:36

FYI, you can use a lighter to shrink the shrink wrap

Birk Binnard
2015-04-13 12:38:44

An open flame sounds a little scary - but I might just try it. Thanks for the suggestion.

Clarence Lee
2015-04-13 13:19:13

Birk Binnard
2015-04-13 13:37:59

Excellent - very hot! I'll give it a try. Thanks.