ATOM 3D Printer Group 造訪社團 » ABS

原文網址 蘇子中
2016-03-08 00:25:25

裝了熱床後才發現原來主板旁的散熱風扇是會轉動的,之前完全沒聽到它轉動過的聲音,現在熱床ㄧ開就聽到它呼呼呼的聲音,想請問印pla是要開多少度就能夠讓底部黏牢(目前我是開60 ),印abs時又要幾度呢? 擔心設太高主板內部會太熱


原文網址 Birk Binnard
2016-03-06 05:07:35

What is going on with this GCode?

Recently my printer started misbehaving at the start of a print. Right after finishing heating the printer would "jump" and get itself vertically misaligned. After that it would not start the print properly. To fix the problem I have commented out one line of GCode: here is the beginning of the GCode I've been testing with:

; GCode generated by CraftWare

G28 ;Home

M109 S200 ;set and wait head temperature
; ------------------------------------
; Layer #0
; ------------------------------------
G21 ; mm
G90 ; abs
G92 E0 ; reset extr
M106 S0
;G0 F9000 E-3.0000 <===== What is this for and why does it make my printer jump?
G0 Z0.200 F3300
G0 X-7.109 Y4.539 F6000
G0 F9000 E0.0000

The above GCode works fine. If I remove the ; from the indicated line the printer tries to make a move that it cannot (it does make a pretty nasty sounding noise when it does this) and then proceeds to start printing. But the vertical alignment is off and the print doesn't actually come out properly.

Perhaps this is a bug in the Craftware slicer; at any rate I have posted this message on the Craftware message board.

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原文網址 鍾名翔
2016-03-05 15:48:34

熱床來了~~
回國後馬上拆禮物的感覺

但之前只用過PLA
想請問社團內有用ABS的人
能推薦你們都買哪種ABS嗎??
迫不及待想試了

廖新弘
2016-03-05 16:11:54

PLA也是可以用熱床

鍾名翔
2016-03-05 16:12:56

鍾名翔
2016-03-05 16:13:58

是想要用在車上的,之前用pla時,在太陽曝曬下,就開始歪曲了,所以這次想用abs來印

廖新弘
2016-03-05 16:18:17

可能要找低臭味的,上次誤用普通的味道超級受不了

H-m Lin
2016-03-05 16:23:33

Abs真的很臭,就算找臭味低的還是建議在通風良好的地方比較少身體危害。

Efun Lai
2016-03-05 17:12:05

另外一台機器的ABS我都用MODEX的

蔣益民
2016-03-05 17:28:53

推低臭低翹曲的ABS找MODEX

鍾名翔
2016-03-06 01:12:47

鍾名翔
2016-03-06 01:13:06

感謝大家~~決定馬上買來用

鍾名翔
2016-03-06 01:13:32

不讚怎麼行


原文網址 鄒蒔緯
2016-03-04 15:43:32

請問各位前輩,成品列印後(abs),所產生的表面線條狀,如何把線條磨除?

廖新弘
2016-03-04 16:10:12

ABS可以用丙酮薰蒸

陳明谷
2016-03-04 16:14:39

低速打磨機

黃雋逸
2016-03-04 17:03:21

直接噴漆

黃雋逸
2016-03-04 17:03:37

吳哲霆
2016-03-04 18:48:05

要用耐心(笑)


原文網址 Birk Binnard
2016-03-04 07:49:57

Strange printer behavior - what to do?

After performing an Auto-Home function, when I begin a print the printer makes a "jump" before it moves the printhead down to the printbed. The jump is really more of a jerk type movement that it never did before. The net result is the printhead ends up in the wrong place (too close to the printbed) to extrude properly.

It seems that the jump motion causes the printer to lose track of its vertical position, but I can't figure out why it has started doing this for no apparent reason.

To deal with this I have reloaded the printer firmware (twice), spent a lot of time with Z-offset, verified all the mechanical parts of the printer are ok, etc. The problem happens with both Craftware and Simplify3D, so I don't think it is a GCode problem.

This is the beginning of the S3D GCode:
G90
M82
M106 S0
M104 S190 T0
M109 S190 T0
G28 ; home all axes
;G29 Z+0.6 ; AutoCalibration
G1 F5000 Z50 ; lift nozzle
G0 X0 Y0 Z50 ; parking
G92 E0
G1 E-3.0000 F9000

and this is the CW:
G28 ;Home
M109 S200 ;set and wait head temperature
; ------------------------------------
; Layer #0
; ------------------------------------
G21 ; mm
G90 ; abs
G92 E0 ; reset extr
M106 S0
G0 F9000 E-3.0000

I guess there is some truth to the saying "It's always something."

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Charlie Ting
2016-03-04 08:13:59

You may try to set Accel to 500 in ATOM panel, and set XY Travel speed to less 250. (200 is better).

That's so-called momentum problem, not a big deal.


原文網址 李宣平
2016-02-13 12:08:31

Abs一直翹 不知道這樣有沒有用
床100度

任宏彥
2016-02-13 12:18:38

熱床再加個10度
開 棧板試試

戴士偉
2016-02-13 12:32:57

Flux ?

戴士偉
2016-02-13 12:37:50

ABS 除了熱床, 建議用ABS膠比較好用,
另外填充不可以太高, 大概5%左右就好, 10%都有機會造成收縮應力太大造成翹.
側裙一定要開, 越大越好, 尤其有尖角的地方

另外保溫殼最好也都開,

風扇要注意大部分時候最好關閉, 除非你很清楚你想幹嘛, 不然風扇開了更容易翹

張不凡
2016-02-13 12:47:41

還滿像 flux 說

Chun Hou Tan
2016-02-13 12:52:19

请问什么是"側裙"?

Chun Hou Tan
2016-02-13 13:19:54

谢了

Victor Chang
2016-02-13 13:25:39

Flux沒有熱床!

李宣平
2016-02-13 14:02:24

謝謝各位

James Lin
2016-02-13 14:06:04

機器好命,人放著冷~
-_- "

Joe Abaquin Bing Aquino
2016-02-13 19:33:48

Moving hot air is not good.
I tried this many times and I got better results when in enclosure.

馬小將
2016-02-13 19:59:15

電費用噴的!
有成功嗎?

陳曉澔
2016-02-14 00:37:02

感覺還是用黃光燈會比較有感.....

彭帟絃
2016-02-14 00:40:22

大面積的件可以用高一些的速度去壓,試試看。

李宣平
2016-02-14 00:43:35

正明無笑

李宣平
2016-02-14 00:43:48

我開80MS

彭帟絃
2016-02-14 00:47:06

請教一下,這種加熱方式不會讓噴頭喉管的部份過熱嗎?

李宣平
2016-02-14 00:48:20

沒這個問題!我比來也有擔心 PS.我用24V蝸牛

彭帟絃
2016-02-14 00:50:10

這麼猛的散熱,太強了。

片翼之鳶
2016-02-14 01:44:43

這看起來是加熱扇...


原文網址 Charlie Ting
2016-02-06 18:56:58

[年前分享尾刀]

前一陣子連續印了不少喬巴,從中得到許多經驗可以跟大家分享。但因為是累積多次觀察的心得,所以只講結果,大家自己挾去配~~

1. Wall
新的 KISSlicer 有支援 Wall 的方式來散熱,這個除了散熱之外,還可以用來觀測溫度。簡單來說,當你隨手一折這個 wall 就會破裂的話,代表你設的溫度偏低,層和層之間的結合度不是很好。另外,如果印出來的 wall 沒有透明感的話,代表你的溫度偏高,可能有氣泡了。還有,wall 的表面如果沒有很均勻的髮絲紋,表示你的機器精度可能要注意。

2. Grid vs. Brim
新版的 KISSlicer 可以設定 grid 的疏密度和厚度,上次突發奇想,調了一下這個參數,讓 grid 印出來跟 brim 一樣整個密合。這個東西的好處是它可以強化支撐底部,例如你印一個有細支撐的物件,這個支撐很容易因為底部不夠強而被撞掉,用grid就不容易。另外,這樣的grid也會有比較好的捉地力,可以減少翹曲的問題。同時,grid 跟 brim 是可以共用的,彈性很大。

3. G29 once
以前我習慣讓機器每次都G29,但是這很容易造成膠帶破損,那個力道其實頗大,大概跑二三次,測量點的膠帶就破洞了。之後,我把那指令關掉了。即使換了新膠帶也沒重跑。但還是都能順順印~~而且好處是不會在物件上看到那幾個點的痕跡。我想不論是用膠帶、ZP,G29 還是少跑比較好。

4. ABS
前二天手賤,想說拿 ABS 來試試最近領悟到的列印心法(無熱床印ABS),可惜喬巴大概印了六成,還是不敵翹曲,把物件給撞掉了。或許 z-lift 設高一點有機會成功。但重點是,我發現一般的ABS溫度偏高,這有點傷鐵氟龍管。這事可能有二個方向思考,要嘛用低溫ABS,要嘛就得勤換管子了。

5. 噴嘴
強烈建議沒事就捅一捅噴嘴。拆下噴嘴處的管子後,可以用線材直接捅,這樣可以觀察出料的狀況和速度;也可以手動模擬回抽的狀況,然後觀察噴嘴線材出、停之間的變化。偶而還可能沖出一些髒東西。

用六角扳手捅可以清清前端三角錐區域,也可以感受一下鐵氟龍管壁的狀況,如果是很平滑的狀況,基本上還很OK。如果越來越覺得沙沙的,代表也差不多該換了。

6. 退料後的線頭
理想情況下退料後的線頭應該像一根鈍鈍的針頭,這時鐵氟龍管是完美的。慢慢的,如果你發現線頭變成前面有一段小圓柱,然後有一段頸部,再接到線材上。那表示噴嘴內的狀況在變化了。等這個小圓柱越來越長,也越來越粗(可能大於1.75mm),大概就要拆噴頭保養了。

以上,跟大家分享~~~

其他的就等明年了~~先祝大家新年快樂!

Charlie Ting
2016-02-06 19:02:38

用grid打底,可以很薄很堅韌;用wall可以決定最佳溫度和檢視機器精度。

Bise Chen
2016-02-06 19:03:34

你這裡說的「新版」是哪一個新版?是否順便註明一下呢?

戴光宏
2016-02-06 21:29:29

噴嘴損耗會很高嗎?每次拆裝噴頭組件都很吃力...

蘇子中
2016-02-06 21:51:49

牆的主要功能是什麼呢?表面會印的比較好嗎?


原文網址 Charlie Ting
2016-01-30 23:23:47

[沒拼過去]

想說試一下之前試出來的打底方式印abs,

前面還好,之後就出門了~~~

回來看到這個,難怪我人在外面感到十分阿雜。

戴士偉
2016-01-30 23:25:21

這種天氣玩ABS有點累人~ 還是得出動ABS膠吸吸毒才黏的住~

Odinson Thor
2016-01-30 23:26:23

我這兩天也.... (禿頭)

Io HonGwal
2016-01-30 23:31:51

有冇simplify3D的知 去掉BASE的RAFT用來印ABS 是不錯 不過我是用口紅膠

Charlie Ting
2016-01-30 23:32:57

PS. 我還沒裝熱床啦, 單純想取巧~~~~


原文網址 施正偉
2016-01-28 10:31:58

號稱是世界最小的3D列印裝置,可像傳統3D印表機那樣,將PLA或ABS從噴頭擠壓出來⋯⋯

Lawrence Lee
2016-01-28 14:05:20

贊助了了一年多還在等啊

Joe Abaquin Bing Aquino
2016-01-29 07:04:19

I don't think abs will be good for this pen.


原文網址 Jörg Johow
2016-01-25 18:45:50

Hi there! I am very happy with my Atom Printer 2.0 - I switched from CURA to Simplify3D and my prints turned from "quite good" to "absolutely amazing". No more warping at all and I only use gluestick but to skrit, raft or anything. PLA sticks like hell. But here comes my question: I bought high quality ABS and tried some prints. It does not work at all. :( I tried all kinds of settings, different adhesives. Nothing helps - ABS peels of two seconds after it was applied. From the printer settings I tried differend temperatures, rafts and skirts of different sizes. Nothing helps ABS sticking. :( As adhesives I tried: glue stick (3 differend brands), Wood glue (thinned with water and pure), hair spray (2 different brands). When I finally lost faith in ever beeing able to print ABS was, when evend the magic solution made of acetone and ABS did not work. There I started with a very thin solution and went up to increasingly thicker solution. Nothing helped. :( I seems like I have to go for a heated bed? Any ideas? Thx!!!

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Clarence Lee
2016-01-25 18:50:14

Jörg Johow
2016-01-25 18:50:55

Which one would you recommend?

Samuel Chiou
2016-01-25 19:54:17

Around €15 Euros with an embedded thermoresistor. Covers at least 65% of base glass area.

http://goods.ruten.com.tw/item/show?21543906908412

Samuel Chiou
2016-01-25 19:55:10

I bought this one in Taiwan, but needs a new power supply, for PLA, no glue required if hotbed heating to 60 deg C. Except taking a little bit longer to reach 60deg C starting from 14 deg C ambient temperature, around 10 mins, no issues found yet.
However, significant temperature difference between inside the hotbed coverage area and outside of it on top of glass due to poor thermo conductivity of the glass.

Samuel Chiou
2016-01-25 20:12:43

My 12V DC power supply

Jörg Johow
2016-01-25 20:45:45

Thank you for all your replies. ??

Samuel Chiou
2016-01-25 20:47:16

Good luck for your attempt to print ABS!

Jörg Johow
2016-01-25 22:22:58

Thanks! I will keep you informed.

Jose Antonio Fernandez Camero
2016-01-26 04:07:43

https://youtu.be/FXs58BRlJUU Did you tried this?

Jörg Johow
2016-01-26 06:20:03

Hi Jose - as I wrote in my first post. Tried it - did not work. :)

Jose Antonio Fernandez Camero
2016-01-26 06:45:45

Oh I see now, sorry to hear that as it's in the to do list


 

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