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原文網址 陳順得 2015-12-28 08:15:52
請問有人知道喉管內的鐵氟龍總長是多少嘛?
另外一問則是…有人把噴頭燒出顏色嘛
目前變成藍紫色了,如果這是鈦頭,那剛剛應該有500~600度……………
陳順得 2015-12-28 08:16:55
燒成亮橘色的噴頭好可怕,鐵氟龍還噴了出來…
Odinson Thor 2015-12-28 08:19:00
37mm
MoMo Yang 2015-12-28 09:41:57
600度 熱敏沒燒掉嗎?
陳順得 2015-12-28 09:52:27
因為是反向堵料在不鏽鋼片之間,去除殘膠的時候,熱敏一起被帶了出來(我是用單向雙線的那種),所以噴頭就在沒有溫度感應的狀況下持續加溫上去
陳順得 2015-12-29 10:01:11
目前是還在待料中,加熱片的狀況還不明朗
張銀崇 2015-12-29 23:46:59
之前經驗,熱敏掛掉,溫度高到將加熱鋁塊熔成像麥牙糖
陳順得 2015-12-29 23:53:23
你這個超強…
張銀崇 2015-12-29 23:57:54
嚇到快尿褲子,強的是加熱棒竟然沒死
陳順得 2015-12-30 00:05:41
來印鋁好了XD
原文網址 MoMo Yang 2015-12-28 01:02:45
[不負責任韌體]
有同好希望我講解如何做到某些功能,說實在的,這有點難教學 不如我提供Source Code,有需要的人自己看,當初說過SDCard中其實是不建議放太多檔案的,我也是實作完排序之後,才知道做了傻事,想知道為什麼的人建議把Code看一下就知道為什麼了,所以我做了兩個取代的機制,一個是相反顯示,一個是直接能夠印最新檔案,其他功能請參考列表
1. 增加zoffset獨立調整 2. 增加列印前一個GCode檔案 (重新列印,不是繼續列印) 3. 增加停止列印並回到HOME (讓噴頭不會留在列印件上) 4. 增加GOTO_ZERO (方便調整zoffset) 5. 增加暫停列印並移動噴頭 (為了減少失步的可能,沒有移到HOME) 6. 修改繼續列印讓他可以上次暫停處繼續印 7. 修改檔案顯示順序 (相反顯示,但不保證是最新的在上面) 8. 增加列印最新檔案 (好處是不用選檔)
Source Code => https://github.com/AndroidLinux/Marlin-momo
P.S. 由於我沒有買雷射,所以並沒有雷射相關功能,請見諒,另外由於我的機器裝了很多的Sensor,若要能跑在原版的ATOM2.0上,我自用的韌體必須移除那些多餘的程式(我只留下大家感興趣的部分),當然瘦身後的韌體是無法直接在跑在我的機器上進行測試,我是請同好冒著危險幫我測試的,若有問題,請告知我,我會再修改。
https://youtu.be/llToETqpcPU
Isaac Tai 2015-12-28 01:23:18
請問"暫停列印再繼續列印"的一段source code 在那一個檔案?
James Lin 2015-12-28 01:32:50
Yang Momo 神,請問你是 Base on v2.0 改的嗎?
Clarence Lee 2015-12-28 01:45:43
ultralcd.cpp
王榮達 2015-12-28 01:46:31
請問這修改適用ATOM 1&1.x代的機器嗎??
張銀崇 2015-12-28 02:04:30
超神
Anthony Lu 2015-12-28 09:43:39
強.........
MoMo Yang 2015-12-28 10:25:23
其實我比較想用強一點的版子,寫個新的韌體
蘇子中 2015-12-29 12:58:11
請問ㄧ下,這個暫停接續功能,是可以暫停多久? 溫度還是一直保持嗎?
原文網址 謝政霖 2015-12-27 16:07:15
最近都印出這種的實在讓我頭很痛⋯⋯很多很像泡泡的東西!已經重新調整料的流暢度了!還是一樣!之前都沒這個問題!?請FB大神幫忙一下!
Odinson Thor 2015-12-27 16:21:47
jitter設成360了?
謝政霖 2015-12-27 16:22:32
我用cura
謝政霖 2015-12-27 16:30:15
謝政霖 2015-12-27 16:30:20
麥麥 2015-12-27 16:44:17
列印溫度提高10度,印看看
謝政霖 2015-12-27 16:44:48
好喔!我再試試!
麥麥 2015-12-27 16:46:29
其他參數不變ㄡ~~只提高噴頭溫度到210度
謝政霖 2015-12-27 16:48:30
恩恩
王游鑫 2015-12-27 16:53:46
flow的%降低到95或者是90看看
麥麥 2015-12-27 20:09:36
印出來了嗎?
Charlie Ting 2015-12-27 20:17:47
感覺要嘛料放很久了,要嘛噴頭太久沒清,出料的狀況很不穩定。外觀來看,機構上的問題不大。
Hawke ChienSheng Liu 2015-12-27 20:41:06
速度再放慢些,如果加速度是出廠預設值的話。
謝政霖 2015-12-27 20:47:25
印出來了調整完了還是一樣!我也覺得應該是噴頭沒清,等等來處理看看!
李穆 2015-12-27 21:33:18
原廠白料的話180度就可以印了,不要開太高,不然汽化跟碳化會加速噴頭的堵塞
黃康誠 2015-12-28 11:40:19
把料拿去除溼 一下可能就好了
原文網址 Birk Binnard 2015-12-27 02:26:58
Could this be my problem?
I disassembled the hot end and this is how the parts look. The heating resistor is not clean and white, but has both sides covered with some burned on stuff that I guess is old filament. Could this be what's causing my extrusion problems? The top surface of the nozzle and the bottom surface of the heat capacitor also have this same stuff on them.
Dan Salvador 2015-12-27 04:53:41
Please test the heater + the capacitor with a multimeter and post the readings - then I can tell you which one is faulty
Birk Binnard 2015-12-27 07:38:44
The heater registers 11.42 volts when heating, and 0 when not. I can't get the thermistor out of the nozzle so I can't measure that one. I did scrape most of the dark residue off the bottom of the heat capacitor (how can this be called a cpacitor sinc e it is just a solid machined part?) and off the top surface of the nozzle, so that may help some. I'm not sure what to do about the tiny piece of insulating tape that covered the wire connectors to the heater - that piece has no sticky stuff on it so I'm not sure if I'll be able to reattach it. Edit: I managed to get the nozzle, heater, and heat capacitor reassembled OK. I was able to get the tiny piece of insulating tape sandwiched in between the heater and the nozzle, and hold it all together with the heat capacitor. I don't think I'll be disassembling these parts again. Fortunately the nozzle does heat up to 200 degrees as indicated on the printer LCD, so I think I've got that much working OK.
Joschka Friedl 2015-12-27 08:53:38
I called it heat ring. There is a wird in that ceramic Plate. In The assembly instructions i think its Said to assemble The Ring with contacts facing downwards. Did you check if The thermistor is in The middle of The hotend? Also do a PID calibration v ia pronterface or repetierhost.I found The solution for my "thin" extruded Parts in my prints in thr gcode. It simply didnt slice a whole Layer. Now I check every gcode before printing in repetierhost.
Birk Binnard 2015-12-27 09:58:19
Yes, I did assemble the ring with contacts facing downward. I discovered that after I got the whole hot end reassembled the heating resistor got stuck to the top heat capacitor (the solid metal piece that screws on top of the heat resistor) so I had to position it with it's wires 180 degrees away from the wires from the thermistor. Nevertheless I was able to get everything put back together and I am trying a long print right now. So far the first layer looks a bit thin, but after that things look pretty good.
Birk Binnard 2015-12-27 10:38:26
Close but no cigar After a little less than an hour of printing the nozzle jammed again. When I checked the printer the printhead was about 5 mm above the last printed layer and was extruding nothing. Plus, as has been the case for more than a week now, after such a jam I can neither feed nor retract filament manually.
Bato Wang 2015-12-27 10:54:08
Birk, I think Idan is asking about the "resistance" value of that ceramic heater and the thermistor, not the voltage value. To do so, you need to unplug their connectors from the board and measure the pins of their connector. Your heating voltage seem s correct, so the board should be ok. If you can print for a little less than an hour, the ceramic heater should be ok as well. I believe there should be some thermal compound between the heater and nozzle, and maybe you should apply some for better thermal transfer. I think you should check the thermistor resistance before you continue your work. I have a hunch that thermistor is faulty, it is a common issue after a period of time....
Bato Wang 2015-12-27 10:56:17
I always have them in my tool box....
Birk Binnard 2015-12-27 11:19:22
Bato - if I understand correctly you are saying I should unplug the 2 thermistor leads from the motherboard and check the resistance between the 2 leads. I did that and the result was 123.3 which I think is just ohms and not kilo- or mega- ohms. I tho ught the only purpose of the thermistor was to control the voltages sent to the heater. And since my LCD temperature readout is quite consistent at 195, which is my printing temperature, I figured the thermistor was OK. But if it is bad can I just replace it with a new one? What are the specs for a replacement? And can I just pull it out of the hot end and put a new one in there?
Bato Wang 2015-12-27 11:27:30
Birk, if the thermistor is faulty, 195 steady does not mean it is true 195 steady, it might drop to like true 175 steady (Show 195 on the panel)....in this condition, your PID auto calibration will not perform correctly. I think ATOM use a 104GT thermistor, in room temperature(25), it should be 100K ohm. http://www.mouser.com/....../semitec%20usa...... ...
Bato Wang 2015-12-27 11:28:40
Brand new thermistor measurement
Birk Binnard 2015-12-27 11:38:25
Aha - so it is KOhms - I should have seen that on my meter's dial. At any rate, 123.3 is not that far from your 109.24 so I wonder if the thermistor really is the cause of my problems. At any rate, there are numerous sources for the 104GT here in the US, so I can certainly get a few of them without much trouble.
Joschka Friedl 2015-12-27 12:19:58
I am not sooo familiar with electricity, but isnt More resistance resulting in less power? Correct me if im wrong.Birk, was there any time when your Teflon tube in The hotend was melted? I had The Problem of some melted Teflon tube being stuck in The h otend chamber, resulting in prints which didnt extrude after a period of time. Only burning of The hotend brought me a clean nozzle. That is something that really annoys me about The atom hotend - why cant you just replace The nozzle? Why "Atom excluse full hotend"?
Birk Binnard 2015-12-27 13:44:20
Joschka - yes to both. Higher resistance results in less power, but the real issue is what the Atom2 firmware does with the data it receives from the thermistor. As Bato Wang said, there is some control logic in there that does something, but we (nor mal folks) don't know exactly what that is. Yes #2 is about the ptfe tube inside the print head. I did replace mine months ago because I discovered the tube had been burned at the bottom. Maybe that was the first sign that my thermistor was going bad. I still have no conclusive data that points to that but I am suspecting it rather strongly since no other cause seems more likely. About the Atom2 nozzle itself - the website says it is made from Cnc milled titanium, which if true would mean it is a costly piece and not easily replaced.
Bato Wang 2015-12-27 13:58:37
The thermistor resistance will change as the temperature changes....if you don't measure a 100k in a 25 degree room temperature, you should consider change a thermistor....it is really not the higher the better, it is the matter of precision......
Birk Binnard 2015-12-27 14:10:34
Given the relatively low cost of thermistors that's probably worth a try. But can I simply pull out the existing thermistor and replace it with another? Other nozzle assembly instructions I've read say the thermistor needs to be surrounded with some h eat-proof material like Permatex RTV (gooey stuff used for exhaust manifold gaskets on internal combustion engines.) My concern is what if I try to pull the existing thermistor out of the nozzle and it breaks - leaving most or part of it stuck where it is? Would I have to try to drill out the rest? Or will it just come out all in one piece?
Bato Wang 2015-12-27 15:56:40
It broke into 2 pieces on mine....you don't need RTV silicone to secure it, but you do need a ptfe tube or small enough tube to isolate the leads form short with the nozzle....
Birk Binnard 2015-12-27 16:26:23
Good point about the ptfe tubing. I don't think I can get any that small here in the US. So I'll have to try to get the ones off the existing thermistor.
Bato Wang 2015-12-27 16:28:52
Yes, exactly what I did, don't forget to take the small tube off the old thermistor...
Birk Binnard 2015-12-27 23:11:38
OK - I'll get several of them. I'll also see if I can get some of the small shrink-wrap tubing to make the connections neater than electrical tape. Just one more question - what about ordering a replacement heating resistor? I'd like to have a backup in case I break the one I have - or in case it fails n it's own for some reason. Do you know what the specs for the heating resistor are?
Bato Wang 2015-12-27 23:26:11
it is Φ14*6.5*1.3mm, 2-3Ω, Voltage: 5-7V (Running @ 12V on ATOM), don't worry, I run it @ 24V...no problem at all.
Clarence Lee 2015-12-27 23:38:45
the thermistor is not semitec 104gt-2 or 104nt-4(but it's usable) Actually form shape using on ATOM2.0 is MF58 100K 3950(not sure about the actually brand)
Birk Binnard 2015-12-27 23:47:00
Thanks Clarence - I switched my order to that one. ALso got insulating tubing & shrink-wrap.
Clarence Lee 2015-12-27 23:49:26
for the theramic heater plate , after some search. I don't sure if it's easy to get from us or not. http://www.innovacera.com/product/alumina-ceramic-heater
Birk Binnard 2015-12-27 23:51:50
Yes - I can't find anything like that ceramic disk here in the US.
原文網址 Chien-hung Chen 2015-12-26 19:36:07
請問,機器剛裝完,照設定到加熱噴頭,但跑一下後螢幕會閃一下,噴頭目標溫度就會由預設的200變成0,請示是哪邊出狀況了呢
Clarence Lee 2015-12-26 20:27:22
檢查線路..看有沒有短路斷路... 最慘就是異常輸入電壓到控制板燒掉了...
Chien-hung Chen 2015-12-26 20:42:23
感謝,問題解決
原文網址 謝榮晉 2015-12-26 16:48:34
請問有人發生過列印時噴頭突然停住不動,或是列印時馬達突然停住,然後噴頭就整個大平移的情況嗎? 都快印完了,結果突然停住,不然就是整個shift,真是欲哭無淚啊!
陳明谷 2015-12-26 16:51:35
切片時檢查過每層嗎
謝榮晉 2015-12-26 16:52:53
請問要怎麼檢查? 同一個Gcode檔案,第一次印是印沒多久整個平移,第二次印是快結束時突然就停止不動了。
Clarence Lee 2015-12-26 17:47:07
換power或檢查有沒有線路接觸不良
黃嘉偉 2015-12-26 19:35:22
我之前是噴頭的微動開關上多出的接腳沒剪,也發生過類似短路問題,剪完後就很正常了
張銀崇 2015-12-27 12:29:33
驅動電流也許不夠
謝榮晉 2015-12-27 13:49:59
謝謝大家提供意見,懷疑是因為自己改了一個切換噴頭和雷射頭的switch,但沒用焊錫固定,導致偶發12V斷電,目前用焊錫固定好接線後,已經順利列印完一個檔案,之後再觀察看看。
原文網址 陳明谷 2015-12-26 14:45:40
聚會時大家在討論起終點造成的拉鏈 有同好提供角度選360讓他四處點 我則是把凸起狀做到完全接合或微凹陷 參數設定供大家參考測試 溫度205回抽8預擠7.8回抹0速度80 外圍第一層速度45加速度15 我有加裝快速噴頭墊片 這參數不一定可套用在所有人身上 但用意就是起點擠料慢一點點
張銀崇 2015-12-27 12:10:35
您好,請問快速噴頭墊片是什麼東西,謝謝
陳明谷 2015-12-27 12:31:16
用來卡住快速噴頭 避免造成回抽效果降低的東西 不然你回抽10mm 反應到噴頭上可能只有5mm被拉回
張銀崇 2015-12-27 12:36:43
謝謝您的分享,真是天才,這麼細微也想到
陳明谷 2015-12-27 12:45:09
這是前輩分享的概念
張銀崇 2015-12-27 12:54:30
謝謝無私的分享,希望有機會再跟您請益,交流 祝假日愉快
CJ Lee 2015-12-27 13:25:18
陳大,那塊白色的是科技棉嗎?
張不凡 2015-12-27 13:31:57
哇靠,超近端送料
原文網址 Orisun Chien 2015-12-26 14:14:34
想請問各位有關於雷射模組的問題,前些日子組裝完畢試印時是成功
的,後來再使用的時候(同樣參數),便都無法成功打印,完全無焦
痕,但雷射光有亮,焦距也從6~10區間逐一測試,請問有可能是哪方面
出了問題,謝謝~
Coby Huang 2015-12-26 14:27:37
白紙會反射雷射光,換別種紙吧
Orisun Chien 2015-12-26 14:46:35
第一次打印用白紙有成功,後來換了其他紙張也一樣,都完全沒痕跡。
Orisun Chien 2015-12-26 15:37:37
更新完韌體已恢復正常,謝謝~
八雲紫 2015-12-26 17:49:02
官方的雷射模組很有趣,不自帶原點校正 列印頭校正後拔下來換雷射頭,每次換都跑掉 雷射前也沒有中心點定位 需要改進的地方真的很多.....
原文網址 Robin Hsu 2015-12-26 13:30:46
個人想再請教一下
左手邊的版本是之前那個底部有多出橫線沒印到的版本,不過它的線路看起來是目前手邊測試過的最平順的。
為了調整那一個橫線,又多搞出了了一堆有的沒有的問題之後,再印出右手邊的版本;雖然整體的列印順利許多,不過在拿來和稍早這個版本比較的時候,發現最新的這個版本似乎在擠出後的料況上不是很好,成品上會出現比較深色的斑點,像是泡泡又不太像 ~
就是想問這個深色斑點的問題 ~
當時的列印溫度是設定在 188 度 Fr 80%. 機種是 Atom 1.0. 韌體 Atom 2.0.4b 列印時間是晚上 ~ 天氣溫濕度 沒記 ~ (如果 Arduino 還有空餘的腳位,個人覺得加顆溫濕度感應器不錯說 =.. =)
---- PS: 印左手邊的版本時是天氣特好的大太陽、昨晚印右手邊版本的時候是在飄雨 ~
陳明谷 2015-12-26 14:47:06
嗯…像受潮
陳明谷 2015-12-26 14:50:58
還有 盡量不要去調整LCD上的速度 因為不只列印速度變慢 連回抽速度跟噴頭空移速度都會受影響 另外速度100的80%跟50的80%可不一樣 所以不知道你說的80%要怎麼換算成速度
Robin Hsu 2015-12-26 16:55:53
這個都還在試印官方提供的 300height.gcode 檔案, 沒看過啥回不回抽的動作, 它只曉得一直印下去 ~ 面板裡頭有 Tune/Speed ... 就是在上頭轉到 80 ~ 個人根本還沒玩到自己拿檔案來玩切片的設定啊 XDDD 之前在組裝與校正的過程有堆不幸的硬體問題陸續在發生 =..="
Robin Hsu 2015-12-26 16:57:59
那像最近一直下雨, 溼氣又重的狀況, 有什麼辦法救這捆線材嗎 ? .? 使用前搖一搖(吹吹吹風機 ? )
陳明谷 2015-12-26 17:07:52
要吹很久唷 除濕機會是更好選擇
原文網址 Eric Chen 2015-12-25 18:30:37
時間效率是量產最需要解決的問題 或許3D列印製造者的發展空間還很大 如果開發不了點陣式的噴頭 那就用組裝的方式來拼吧~
李宣平 2015-12-26 00:11:31
KICKSTART有一台ㄚ
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